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Just wanted to inform you about a protest being planned for more grist for your mill.
www.turnyourbackonbush.org
www.turnyourbackonbush.org
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Re: Inaugural Protest Website
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 11:29 AMI talked to my grandmother a few weeks ago, and she told me that she thought a protest like this would be the most effective message.. and also added that when you turn your back to also hang your head down in shame and disapointment. So, maybe this would be something I would be interested in doing. There will be, I am sure, alot more direct action protests leading up to Jan. 20th. -
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Re: Inaugural Protest Website
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 11:33 AMWow.
You have no imagination then?
There's no reason that a silent action isn't as powerful as a loud riotous same old chant different issue protest at this point in our history.
Your sarcasm to my merely pointing a link just shows that you're going to tilt at your windmill over and over again in the same way until you eventually fall off your horse, huh?
Neat-o! So glad to meet ya! -
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Re: Inaugural Protest Website
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 11:57 AMWhat are you talking about... My sarcasm?
Whoa.. I was just adding something more to the idea of turning your back.
I think you have taken my words out of context.. and I was adding that there will be many different actions leading up to, and during the day of the inagauration.
ANyway. sorry bout the misunderstanding. And if I wasn't clear about what I was saying. -
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Re: Inaugural Protest Website
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 1:05 PMM.
I think he was agreeing with you. I didn't sense any sarcasm there.
I too think that this is a really powerful message. And what are they going to do, make us turn back around?
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My Bad.
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 2:46 PMPre coffee!
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sorry about that. I'll unbunch my panties, pronto. -
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Re: My Bad.
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 4:25 PM<<There's no reason that a silent action isn't as powerful as a loud riotous same old chant different issue protest at this point in our history. >>
I disagree. This is a very unique event in history. First time around the SCOTUS handed him the election, this time more and more evidence is showing that Diebold and dirty tricks resulted in his win, making a mockery of democracy. As a result, I think we need to come up with a unique form of protest and I think the turnyourbackonbush.org thing is a great idea. Dont get me wrong, I think in your face protesting is great and I've done it myself, but in order for the media to adequately cover this and not merely write us off as a bunch of hooligans, we need to really think this out.
I think one of the draws of this silent protest is its a) different, b) very powerful and c) probably will attract a lot of people who are anti-bush but NEVER before would have considered going to ANY protest, let alone an inaguration protest. I remember in the 80's when ACT UP would do this form of protest and I thought it sent a powerful message and really caught the medias attention.
Obviously, there doesnt need to be only one form of protest- everyone has a right to protest how they want, but for this to work, we would need tens of thousands of people.
Oh, and the other thing- word is that bush is bringing in 4,000 military combat troops for unprecedented "security" when he is "crowned" king on Jan. 20. I am worried that they are going to effectively not allow us anywhere near the parade route, unlike last time and they will justify it with talk and fear mongering re: terrorism. As the turnyourback.org website points out, those of us interested in doing this may have a better chance of getting into a key spot because we wont have signs, banners or T-shirts clueing in law inforcement and the secret service that we are there as protesters as opposed to supporters. And that's a good thing. Also, the media may not have a choice but to cover it (they hardly covered it last time) if we can get right along the parade route and no one can tell if we are for or against bush. -
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Re: My Bad.
Tue, November 9, 2004 - 5:22 PMTo me, the lack of coverage by the press is a big part of what calls for a new approach to protest - or a unique approach.
After the WTO protests in Seattle I feel like I've seen a steady decline in coverage of any scale of action, even massive protest. I've been thinking about this a lot lately- I've gotten to the point where I generally don't 'take to the streets' because I feel like the message becomes too easy to ignore.
I remember those act-up protests. We used to stage Die-Ins also. I believe a large scale die-in at the mall would be pretty amazing, but I doubt it would get covered.
Anyway, I'm all up for brainstorming. I agree, a different type of action is warranted. I'm thinking more Ghandi than I usually would. -
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Re: My Bad.
Wed, November 10, 2004 - 1:25 PMI felt like the coverage of the RNC protesters was a fair share. Although, the media was all about trying to get the crazy anarchist protesters, creating "Mayhem" in the streets of NYC, and they didn't really find any. So, in my opinion, they set the whole thing up where Jamal Holiday beat up the cop. But I was right there when it happened, and the media put the most fucked-up spin on that entire story. I was interviewed by the local SLC -ABC channel while we were there in NYC too. So, I think people will see the protests this year, unlike 2001.
I think staging a Die-In would be great! And I would be all for it! SHould we try to set one up? -
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Re: My Bad.
Wed, November 10, 2004 - 2:28 PMI'm all for it.
BTW, when I said "at the mall" I was thinking the Washington Mall in addition to any other inaugural protest.
However! I would totally participate in a local die-in of a large scale. A good Bay Area consideration would be somewhere like the Presidio for effect because it's a former military location, but it wouldn't have much impact on the city and may not get much coverage because of that.
A thought would be to make clear, concise statements about the street one might clog with the "dead" and the number of deaths and/or wounded in Iraq.
I'm into the concept of serious organization but it's hard to pull off. However, with something like the internet as a tool, it may not be. Getting as many people as possible to hand out the same leaflets or have them on hand makes for a clear statement of protest.
When we did these in the past, we definitely requested people bring tombstones with whatever statements on them they wanted to make. Also, we put a time on it "expect to lay there for one hour, completely silent".
Also, is this something one would want to permit? I assume since you're talking about laying down and if you decide to block traffic/disrupt with this, because the protest isn't moving, it's an arrestable offense. I'm not that famliar with SF/Bay Area legal codes, though.
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